Biggest Crowd Eruptions in Assembly Hall History

[Dondo]

Originally Posted by eagle

I've won plenty. But if you don't think how bad someone wants it plays a role in who wins you are fooling yourself.

There are differently levels of how bad you want something. Some people say they want it but are not willing to make the sacrifices. Watch the third period of a match and you tell me who wants it more.

Sure a substandard wrestler can want it bad and still not beat a better guy, but when all else is equal the guy who wants it more usually wins.

Most (not all) of the big upsets talked on this thread were results of a "desperation" move that worked by the losing wrestler, I don't consider that wanting it more.
Schneider/Coleman was not an example of this, Schneider was on his way to beating Coleman before the pin even occurred.

[PapaBearSLIM]

Originally Posted by eagle

I've won plenty. But if you don't think how bad someone wants it plays a role in who wins you are fooling yourself.

There are differently levels of how bad you want something. Some people say they want it but are not willing to make the sacrifices. Watch the third period of a match and you tell me who wants it more.

Sure a substandard wrestler can want it bad and still not beat a better guy, but when all else is equal the guy who wants it more usually wins.

Catching someone who is well on there way to teching or majoring you and pinning them is not the result of one wrestler wanting it more than the next. Are you saying that if the wrestler that was controlling the match to that point decided to throttle down instead and stall out to a win, making for a different result, that the different outcome would somehow change the "wanting it" level of one or both wrestlers? Gregerson is winning big and decides to not look to score, but play the edge instead to win by the same margin he was up to start the 3rd. The win for Gregerson would have meant that he wanted it more?

He's kicking my arse. If I pancake, cow catch, lat drop, headlock or cradle him then I want it more than he does. If he avoids either of these, he wanted it more than me. OK

[eagle]

you're not getting it. I am not saying that someone who gets caught didn't want it as much.

In the match being discussed, Gregerson was not up by that much (maybe 4) and it was the first or second period. Let's give credit to the other guy for continuing to come after him and have confidence in what he was doing. Also when he hit his back I didn't see much fight.

As for one person wanting it more than another, I believe it plays a role all the time. We have all seen the better guy lose when he is not completely in the match metally. Some wrestlers are focused on a goal and once they don't achieve it the collapse.

For example, I know several wrestleres who had a goal to be a state champ and once they lost they then lost their next match to someone who wanted to be a state placer more than them.

I don't want to focus on this one match. Let's just answer the question do you think how bad someone wants it has an effect on the outcome?

I do and you here about it at all levels. It has been said several times in the last week about the NBA playoffs.

[WRFAN99]

Originally Posted by eagle

you're not getting it. I am not saying that someone who gets caught didn't want it as much.

In the match being discussed, Gregerson was not up by that much (maybe 4) and it was the first or second period. Let's give credit to the other guy for continuing to come after him and have confidence in what he was doing. Also when he hit his back I didn't see much fight.

As for one person wanting it more than another, I believe it plays a role all the time. We have all seen the better guy lose when he is not completely in the match metally. Some wrestlers are focused on a goal and once they don't achieve it the collapse.

For example, I know several wrestleres who had a goal to be a state champ and once they lost they then lost their next match to someone who wanted to be a state placer more than them.

I don't want to focus on this one match. Let's just answer the question do you think how bad someone wants it has an effect on the outcome?

I do and you here about it at all levels. It has been said several times in the last week about the NBA playoffs.

You say don't focus on this match, why? You said the other kid wanted it more, and everyone is just pointing out how that statement is just not true. In a close match back and forth I would agree, the kid who wants it more will win. This was not the case the kid was winning by a large margin and got caught plain and simple. Your point is taken, but that was not the case in this match.