Trayvon Martin shooting

[promartinez]

A 17 year Old Kid Died.
My sons are that age.

All This Over A Misunderstanding in a Gated Community.
Was it a "swipe your card, guard on duty, or just a big fence around the perimeter"?

Rosemont Illinois is considered a "Gated Community".

If this call is true.
He felt "threatened, scared, worried or such".

Martin's girlfriend, who was on the phone with him in his final moments, told ABC News in an exclusive interview that she has not been interviewed by police, despite Martin telling her he was being followed.
The 16-year-old girl, who is only being identified as DeeDee, recounted the final moments of her conversation with Martin before the line went dead.
"When he saw the man behind him again he said this man is going to do something to him. And then he said this man is still behind him and I said run," she said.
Phone records obtained by ABC News show that the girl called Martin at 7:12 p.m., five minutes before police arrived, and remained on the phone with Martin until moments before he was shot.
DeeDee said Martin turned around and asked Zimmerman why he was following him.
"The man said what are you doing around here?" DeeDee recalled Zimmerman saying.
She said she heard someone pushed into the grass before the call was dropped.
Zimmerman, who had called 911, was asked by the dispatcher if he was following the teen. When Zimmerman replied that he was, the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that."

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by mckbln

Martin was an unknown in a gated community; if you are not familiar with what a "gated community" is, I suggest you read up on it. Zimmerman was a member of the neighborhood watch, probably a wannabe-cop, and spotted him wandering around and did not recognize him (the whole skittles and ice tea bit...along with the "hoodie" are collaterall to the incident). The fact is that he didn't live there and was visitng...during his suspension from high school because of a drug related issue. While it is true that Zimmerman was tailing him and followed him on foot despite the dispatchers advice, he had lost track of Martin and returned to his SUV...when Martin confronted and attacked him (according to Zimmerman's statement and eyewitnesses). Zimmerman was on the ground and being pummelled by Martin when he pulled his gun and shot him in the chest. This is based on the latest info...but I am waiting for the whole story to come out still.

I get the gated community part, but anwser this for me. Did Martin have a right to be there. Why did Zimmerman have a gun, did he feel Martin had one, did he feel that he had no choice but to follow him until police got there. Did Zimmermna ever even ask Martin who he was and why he was there? We need alot more anwsers we will probably never get, and what was said between the two before he shot or fought with Martin. When did Zimmerman feel that one of them was going to die that day, was Martin walking away when he shot him, he was shot in the chest at what distance?
To many questions for me, but when you put a gun in your back pocket you already decided that the situation could get very serious, and does Zimmerman have any right as a "watchman" to do what he was doing. The gated communities by me have security before you enter, did this gated communtiy have anyone else that Zimmerman could have called before he decicded Martin needed to be checked out because he was an unknown.
Even in gated communities people have visitors, so just being an unknown makes you that dangerous that someone should have gun on them to make sure. Whatever happens here, there are going to be people on both sides fighting to state to their case, and this will be another story that people will debate for years. We have some of these anwsers, but need alot more to put the whole thing together because the story keeps changing and how much will it change before it all comes out.

[mckbln]

Originally Posted by jimbob

I get the gated community part, but anwser this for me. Did Martin have a right to be there. Why did Zimmerman have a gun, did he feel Martin had one, did he feel that he had no choice but to follow him until police got there. Did Zimmermna ever even ask Martin who he was and why he was there? We need alot more anwsers we will probably never get, and what was said between the two before he shot or fought with Martin. When did Zimmerman feel that one of them was going to die that day, was Martin walking away when he shot him, he was shot in the chest at what distance?
To many questions for me, but when you put a gun in your back pocket you already decided that the situation could get very serious, and does Zimmerman have any right as a "watchman" to do what he was doing. The gated communities by me have security before you enter, did this gated communtiy have anyone else that Zimmerman could have called before he decicded Martin needed to be checked out because he was an unknown.
Even in gated communities people have visitors, so just being an unknown makes you that dangerous that someone should have gun on them to make sure. Whatever happens here, there are going to be people on both sides fighting to state to their case, and this will be another story that people will debate for years. We have some of these anwsers, but need alot more to put the whole thing together because the story keeps changing and how much will it change before it all comes out.

There are a whole lot of things that have yet to come out and some of the questions you pose regarding Zimmerman were the same ones I had at the begining of this thread. The biggest issue I have with this whole incident is that the agenda-pushers are already trying this case in the media.

[opinionated]

make no mistake racism is alive and well in our country. it happens in two directions not just one. why is it we've never heard of this incident pasted below


The story of the young boy from Florida who was killed is tragic, but how come we never hear about the horrific murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom ?
Please read the story below and tell me why you probably never heard about this, and why we never wore a hoodie or honored this young couple....

Christian and Newsom had gone on a date at a local restaurant on Saturday, January 6, 2007, but did not return home. During their night out, the couple was carjacked, bound and blindfolded by three black males, and "taken back to Lemaricus Devall 'Slim' Davidson's rented house on Chipman Street."[6] Christian's parents found her abandoned Toyota 4-Runner two blocks away from the Chipman Street house the following Monday with the help of her mobile phone provider. An envelope recovered from the vehicle yielded fingerprint evidence that led police to Lemaricus Davidson and 2316 Chipman Street. When police went to the address on Tuesday, January 9, they found the home unoccupied and Christian's body in a trash can in the kitchen.
According to the testimony of the Knox County Acting Medical Examiner Dr. Darinka Mileusnic-Polchan at the subsequent trial of Eric Boyd, Newsom was repeatedly sodomized with an object and then blindfolded, gagged, arms and feet bound and his head covered. Barefoot, he was either led or dragged outside the house to a set of nearby railroad tracks. He was shot in the back of the head, the neck, and the back, and his body then set on fire.
Channon's death came after hours of sexual torture, medical examiner Mileusnic-Polchan testified. Channon suffered horrific injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," possibly a broken chair leg, the doctor testified. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely scrubbed with the same solution - all while Channon was alive, the forensic expert said. She was then "hog-tied," with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered tightly with a small trash bag and her body stashed inside five large trash bags before being placed inside a large trash can and covered with sheets. Channon died slowly, suffocating, the medical examiner said.[7]



The Victims !



The Perpetrators

[bigvern77]

Wow! What the **** is wrong with some people? Black, white, yellow, brown, orange, or purple, you DO NOT do that to another human being. Hopefully they have all made "friends" in prison that can help them feel a little of the pain they inflicted!

[mckbln]

I think a big part of what bothers me over this whole issue is the fact that they (Spike Lee, Jackson, Sharpton, etc) are trying so hard to make this about race.
Consider the fact that over the St Patricks day weekend their was more carnage in the Chicago area than Iraq and Afghanistan combined and it was all black on black violence, yet narry a word was spoken by the above mentioned idiots over that.
Zimmerman is most likely going to go down as a national pariah since he is already guilty in the media. The local PD will get crushed and there will be plenty of hand-wringing at the state and national level, bowing to the pressure of the minority special interests. So...is this really justice?

[restling]

Originally Posted by mckbln

I think a big part of what bothers me over this whole issue is the fact that they (Spike Lee, Jackson, Sharpton, etc) are trying so hard to make this about race.
Consider the fact that over the St Patricks day weekend their was more carnage in the Chicago area than Iraq and Afghanistan combined and it was all black on black violence, yet narry a word was spoken by the above mentioned idiots over that.
Zimmerman is most likely going to go down as a national pariah since he is already guilty in the media. The local PD will get crushed and their will be plenty of hand-wringing at the state and national level, bowing to the pressure of the minority special interests. So...is this really justice?

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/30/af...s-death-video/

AFL-CIO Executive Vice President Arlene Holt Baker told The Daily Caller that it is “conservative, right-wing policies that are to blame” for Trayvon Martin‘s death.

[James_Oliva]

Originally Posted by mckbln

So...is this really justice?

A unarmed 17 year old kid is dead. There is NO justice in this case at all. The fact that it's devolved into race is sad to begin with. A kid that was unarmed was killed. But this guy got off too so I guess it's par the course:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori

[restling]

Originally Posted by mckbln

I think a big part of what bothers me over this whole issue is the fact that they (Spike Lee, Jackson, Sharpton, etc) are trying so hard to make this about race.
Consider the fact that over the St Patricks day weekend their was more carnage in the Chicago area than Iraq and Afghanistan combined and it was all black on black violence, yet narry a word was spoken by the above mentioned idiots over that.

HOODIE-WEARING GUNMEN KILL 1, WOUND 5 IN BOBBY RUSH'S CHICAGO DISTRICT


by DAN RIEHL

Former Black Panther Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) made quite a fuss when he donned a "hoodie" during a speech in the U.S. House of Representatives until he was escorted out. At the time, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) "applauded his courage" for doing so.
Meanwhile, back home in Rush's district, two men wearing hooded sweatshirts, or "hoodies," were the shooters in an incident that left one dead and five injured.

In fact, during a span of six-hours Thursday night, 13 people were shot, leaving two dead in Chicago. It would seem it takes more courage to simply walk down the street in Rush's district than it does to wear a hooded sweatshirt in the House of Representatives by way of a stunt in a bizarre tribute to a young man shot and killed in Florida during a shooting incident still under investigation.
13 shot, 2 dead in Chicago in six hours Thursday night

The worst shooting occurred around 6 p.m. Thursday when two men in hooded sweatshirts opened fire inside a convenience store in the 1400 block of West 79th Street in the Gresham neighborhood, police said.
One man was killed and five others were wounded. The victims ranged in age from 16 to 24. The gunmen fled in an SUV and police continued searching for them this morning. There's also another report on that particuar incident here.

Perhaps if Bobby Rush and Nancy Pelosi ever got around to actually doing something to uplift the people in Rush's district, there would be fewer stories like the one above out of Chicago, and less need to don a piece of clothing in Congress in what amounts to an empty and silly gesture.

[bigvern77]

This case isn't bad enough with "the facts!" Now, people are making crap up/doctoring things!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...210020839.html