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Win by Ruano "clinches" it. On to the finals for Illinois. the finals will be streamed on themat.com thru ustream.
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How do they determine who wins a scoreless period in Greco? I was following the Hall-Marmalejo match and as near as I can tell, it was 0-0, 0-0 through the first 2 periods, each guy winning a period.
I believe there are 5 varying responses to this question. Maybe this is one of the reasons people have trouble getting on board with the international styles? Anyway, good job boys. Big time finals coming up.
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Thanks for the clarification

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They did it wrong. There were a lot of new officials working that tournament because there was so many other wrestling events going on at the same time that we could not get the out of state officials we usually do. There should have been an experinced mat chairman on each mat, but that was not always the case. 3rd period is always the winners choice. Here are the rules from the Fila handbook.


The ordered hold in Greco-Roman style
A period of Greco-Roman wrestling consists of 1 minute 30 seconds
wrestling in a standing position and 30 seconds wrestling in a par terre
position. Wrestling starts in the center of the mat in a standing position. The
wrestlers can carry out any possible actions.
After the 1 minute 30 seconds, the referee will stop the match and
order a wrestler in the ordered hold par terre position. The wrestler who wins
the bout at this moment (following the established criterion for the victory of
the bout in article 32) will take the hold first.
If none of the two wrestlers has scored technical points, the referee
decides by a draw which wrestler will take the par terre position. The winner of
the draw will take the ordered hold in first.
The wrestler who takes the clinch will be able to choose between
the side position and lift or the back position, standing or one knee to the mat,
with his hands resting on the opponent’s shoulders. In all periods, the wrestler
who wins by points after 90 seconds will have the advantage of the clinch
and will not be penalized if he does not score during the 30 seconds. In such
situations, if the top wrestler does not advance his position, the wrestlers will
be placed in standing position again to complete the period. At the end of the
2 minutes, the winner of the period is declared.
If after 90 seconds the score of the period is tied 0-0, the advantage
of the clinch will first be given to the red wrestler and if the situation is
repeated in a second period, the advantage of the clinch will be given to the
blue wrestler. When the clinch is ordered after a score of 0-0, the top wrestler
has to score to win the period. If the top wrestler does not score any point(s),
the bottom wrestler will receive 1 point and win the period.

If each wrestler won a period and the third period is tied by 0-0, the
choice of the position, top or bottom, will be given to the wrestler who scored
the highest number of technical points in the first two periods (added together).
If the two wrestlers scored the same number of technical points, the following
criteria will be taken into consideration:
1. Least number of cautions
2. Highest value of the points
3. Draw
If no technical point is scored during the 30 seconds, 1 point will
be awarded to the bottom wrestler and he will be declared the winner of the
match.
Examples:
The refs at schooboy duals had it all jacked up. There was a lot of coin flipping going on in the 1st 2 periods and at no time in any period was a wrestler given any choices; win coin flip and you were put on top.

I wish somebody would've called them on it
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I believe there are 5 varying responses to this question. Maybe this is one of the reasons people have trouble getting on board with the international styles? Anyway, good job boys. Big time finals coming up.
Yep. Bottom line is the guy who starts the par tarre (sp?) on the bottom gets the point if no one scores.
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They did it wrong. There were a lot of new officials working that tournament because there was so many other wrestling events going on at the same time that we could not get the out of state officials we usually do. There should have been an experinced mat chairman on each mat, but that was not always the case. 3rd period is always the winners choice. Here are the rules from the Fila handbook.


The ordered hold in Greco-Roman style
A period of Greco-Roman wrestling consists of 1 minute 30 seconds
wrestling in a standing position and 30 seconds wrestling in a par terre
position. Wrestling starts in the center of the mat in a standing position. The
wrestlers can carry out any possible actions.
After the 1 minute 30 seconds, the referee will stop the match and
order a wrestler in the ordered hold par terre position. The wrestler who wins
the bout at this moment (following the established criterion for the victory of
the bout in article 32) will take the hold first.

If none of the two wrestlers has scored technical points, the referee
decides by a draw which wrestler will take the par terre position. The winner of
the draw will take the ordered hold in first.
The wrestler who takes the clinch will be able to choose between
the side position and lift or the back position, standing or one knee to the mat,
with his hands resting on the opponent’s shoulders. In all periods, the wrestler
who wins by points after 90 seconds will have the advantage of the clinch
and will not be penalized if he does not score during the 30 seconds. In such
situations, if the top wrestler does not advance his position, the wrestlers will
be placed in standing position again to complete the period. At the end of the
2 minutes, the winner of the period is declared.
If after 90 seconds the score of the period is tied 0-0, the advantage
of the clinch will first be given to the red wrestler and if the situation is
repeated in a second period, the advantage of the clinch will be given to the
blue wrestler. When the clinch is ordered after a score of 0-0, the top wrestler
has to score to win the period. If the top wrestler does not score any point(s),
the bottom wrestler will receive 1 point and win the period.

If each wrestler won a period and the third period is tied by 0-0, the
choice of the position, top or bottom, will be given to the wrestler who scored
the highest number of technical points in the first two periods (added together).
If the two wrestlers scored the same number of technical points, the following
criteria will be taken into consideration:
1. Least number of cautions
2. Highest value of the points
3. Draw
If no technical point is scored during the 30 seconds, 1 point will
be awarded to the bottom wrestler and he will be declared the winner of the
match.
Examples:
It mat be different in a dual meet because one team is always red and one team is always blue.
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It mat be different in a dual meet because one team is always red and one team is always blue.
You are right on, Jag. In the duals the first 0-0 in any match is a flip because of the colors. In the third period it is criteria and if you are the "winner" of thethe criteria, you get to choose top or bottom. If all criteria are the same, a flip occurs. The color that comes up on the flip must clinch (top) and score in the period to win. Otherwise 1 point is given to the bottom wrestler, even if he also scored during the final 30 seconds.
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Finals going on now vs PA

Finals streamed live: http://www.ustream.tv/usawrestling

Trackwrestling coverage: http://www.trackwrestling.com/teamto...entId=11465009
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Excitement to end Sepke's match! IL up 18-8 thru 125.
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Dominant performance by Jake O'Mara en route to the pin! IL up 23-8 thru 130.
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