2012 - 2013 NFHS Rule Change Considerations

[petersenkid2]

The questionnaire from the NFHS for coaches and officials asks us to consider if we are in favor of the following: (yes/no for each one)

1. That on the third penalty for stalling, the opponent – in addition to the penalty points – be awarded the choice of position on the next restart.
Yes
No

2. When a takedown is secured, the wrestler shall be awarded two match points for the first takedown and three match points for each additional takedown.
Yes
No

3. When near-fall criteria is met for two seconds, the wrestler in the advantage position will be awarded three match points; when near-fall criteria is met for five seconds, the wrestler in the advantage position will be awarded four match points.
Yes
No

4. Allowing a wrestler to compete in six matches in any one day (championship or consolation), including forfeits.
Yes
No

5. Reducing the rest break between consecutive matches from 45 minutes to 30 minutes.
Yes
No

6. Making the straight-body scissors an illegal hold/maneuver.
Yes
No

[IowaCoachSchultz]

I'd vote yes to 1,4,5. Moving the back points to 3/4 makes no sense to me and same with the takedown points. Why are we even thinking about changing these?

[petersenkid2]

Originally Posted by IowaCoachSchultz

I'd vote yes to 1,4,5. Moving the back points to 3/4 makes no sense to me and same with the takedown points. Why are we even thinking about changing these?

Those were my answers also.

The point changes for takedowns and near falls are very interesting, though, and I think worthy of an in depth discussion.

First - if the takedown were worth 3 points instead of 2, I think it would encourage more of a take-em down, let-em-up style. More like freestyle.

Second - if the near falls were worth one more point each, then maybe kids would work harder to turn, rather than just ride.

Also - fewer matches would be out of reach. With the possibility of an escape followed by a 7 point move (takedown to criteria, 4 NF), it could change things quite a bit.

[IowaCoachSchultz]

Originally Posted by petersenkid2

Those were my answers also.

The point changes for takedowns and near falls are very interesting, though, and I think worthy of an in depth discussion.

First - if the takedown were worth 3 points instead of 2, I think it would encourage more of a take-em down, let-em-up style. More like freestyle.

Second - if the near falls were worth one more point each, then maybe kids would work harder to turn, rather than just ride.

Also - fewer matches would be out of reach. With the possibility of an escape followed by a 7 point move (takedown to criteria, 4 NF)

, it could change things quite a bit.

True. I heard a few year back people talking about 2 point takedown and only 1 point for a 'defensive takedown'. Doubt this would ever work because a lot of takedowns are scored 'defensively'

[IowaCoachSchultz]

How would team points work? Major would have to be like 11/12 points and a tech 18-20?

[crazyrunner1215]

Originally Posted by IowaCoachSchultz

How would team points work? Major would have to be like 11/12 points and a tech 18-20?

Why would team points need to change if you changed the match scoring?

[eagle]

I don't like any of them. 2 points for the first takedown then 3 would just confuse fans. The last thing we need.

No need to change near fall points.

5 matches in one day is plenty. The last thing we need is kids getting injured because of the pounding they take. Also it is very rare to see the time limit between matches become an issue. 45 minutes is the correct amount.

Where did these come from? Who gets to give input on these?

[petersenkid2]

Originally Posted by eagle

I don't like any of them. 2 points for the first takedown then 3 would just confuse fans. The last thing we need.

No need to change near fall points.

5 matches in one day is plenty. The last thing we need is kids getting injured because of the pounding they take. Also it is very rare to see the time limit between matches become an issue. 45 minutes is the correct amount.

Where did these come from? Who gets to give input on these?

The email I got came from the IHSA and said: `

"This questionnaire is provided so the opinions of a national sampling of coaches and registered referees will be considered by the NFHS Wrestling Rules Committee."

[FoxesFan]

Originally Posted by petersenkid2

The questionnaire from the NFHS for coaches and officials asks us to consider if we are in favor of the following: (yes/no for each one)

1. That on the third penalty for stalling, the opponent – in addition to the penalty points – be awarded the choice of position on the next restart.
Yes
No
Maybe, this would be after 2 penalty points, and would allow a wrestler to take a posstion where maybe his opponent can no longer stall.

2. When a takedown is secured, the wrestler shall be awarded two match points for the first takedown and three match points for each additional takedown.
Yes
No
No, we don't need to fix what isn't broke, and we certainly don't need to encourage more take down let up wrestling -- certainly not in Illinois

3. When near-fall criteria is met for two seconds, the wrestler in the advantage position will be awarded three match points; when near-fall criteria is met for five seconds, the wrestler in the advantage position will be awarded four match points.
Yes
No
No, the 2/3 is powerful enough. No need to allow a wrestler to larger lead for one segment of a match (similar to the take down issue, too. Again, this isn't broke, don't try to fix it.)

4. Allowing a wrestler to compete in six matches in any one day (championship or consolation), including forfeits.
Yes
No
No, five is plenty.

5. Reducing the rest break between consecutive matches from 45 minutes to 30 minutes.
Yes
No
No, and no need if the one day match limit is 5. If the match limit is extended to 6, then the reduction in rest becomes necessary. Both are bad ideas.

6. Making the straight-body scissors an illegal hold/maneuver.
Yes
No
Yes

AND ADD ONE, let's get some survey information regarding the nation's interest or disinterest in mat side weigh ins.

[GOLDDOT1973]

Because of the overwhelming popularity of the new weight classes, the NFHS is considering changes again for next year-
110,130,150,170,190,195,200
205,210,220,225,230,280,285.