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WRFAN99 06-07-2012 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bigvern77 (Post 409829)
I just looked at IHSA.org and his brother did not place. I would have sworn that he had, but I am getting old and a little slow!! ;)
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I think that brother was a football stud, and wrestling was is 2nd sport.

bigvern77 06-07-2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WRFAN99 (Post 409830)
I think that brother was a football stud, and wrestling was is 2nd sport.

I think you are right. If I recall correctly, he was a linebacker. I remember playing against him.

oldude 06-08-2012 06:51 AM

If memory serves, Benion, after placing first and second in prior years, would lose something like 10-9, or 10-8, in the Big Ten Championships to the great Joe Williams? The bout was controversial and many looked forward to a repeat in the D1 finals. Might have happened but for Tony Robie (Edinboro) who nipped Benion in overtime in the semis. Ernest ultimately takes third and Joe beat Robie for the title.

Dondo 06-08-2012 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by oldude (Post 409834)
If memory serves, Benion, after placing first and second in prior years, would lose something like 10-9, or 10-8, in the Big Ten Championships to the great Joe Williams? The bout was controversial and many looked forward to a repeat in the D1 finals. Might have happened but for Tony Robie (Edinboro) who nipped Benion in overtime in the semis. Ernest ultimately takes third and Joe beat Robie for the title.

In one of the Big 10's, I remember Benion was anticipated meeting Joe Williams in the finals. Mark Bybee upsetted Benion in an earlier round, Williams beat Bybee in the finals.

oldude 06-08-2012 09:40 AM

Always smart to check the record books before "speaking". After looking at the Big Ten Wrestling web site and perusing a 1997 NCAA D1 program I should clarify. Benion BEAT Williams at the Big Ten meet, but would, as stated earlier, lose to Robie in the semis. He then wrestled back to take third, while Williams won the championship at 158lbs.

Jaguar 06-08-2012 12:36 PM

What an outstanding match! I am struck (again) by the riding skills of both wrestlers. How far have we fallen in Illinois?!

As a side note, Ernest Benion's coach, Bill Winke, is a very good of my uncle. He looks young in this video. He is now a football coach at Northcentral College in Naperville.

Greenskin 06-08-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaguar (Post 409849)
What an outstanding match! I am struck (again) by the riding skills of both wrestlers. How far have we fallen in Illinois?!

As a side note, Ernest Benion's coach, Bill Winke, is a very good of my uncle. He looks young in this video. He is now a football coach at Northcentral College in Naperville.

You are so right. That match would look totally different today the way the sport is being coached. I doubt there would have been much effort expended on the mat. I wouldn't say it is just an Illinois problem but we could be the poster child. That's the very reason I'm sending my kid to a Granby School camp this summer. I'm counting on an emphasis on mat work.

barzagar 06-08-2012 01:57 PM

Some coaches are better than others at teaching techniques on their feet. Some coaches are better at teaching techniques on the mat.

I think we have more coaches in the first category in this state. However, I know of a couple schools whose wrestlers are consistently better mat wrestlers than their opponents. It's no fluke. I think it takes a greater level of understanding of the sport (usually collegiate folkstyle) to teach these advanced riding and turning techniques (and getting out from underneath as well). When you get to college most turns are either from a leg ride or turk or some type of cheap tilt. Funny how you see the most successful high school wrestlers (with some exceptions) scoring from these turns as well.

I'll watch the match when I get home.

Savanna's Bullfrog 06-08-2012 10:32 PM

Good matches no doubt but can we see some single A stuff???? Put up Mena's 4th title, or Hurry pinning everyone through the series.

WRFAN99 06-09-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Savanna's Bullfrog (Post 409876)
Good matches no doubt but can we see some single A stuff???? Put up Mena's 4th title, or Hurry pinning everyone through the series.


Now you have done it, the class vs. class thing. I will just say most of these matches are two studs going head to head. Not stud killing everyone. It has happend but how often do you see two D1 wrestlers in class A. (D1 wrestlers that were in the line up)


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